
Transcript: Episode 18 – Harassment
December 18, 2017
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In episode 18 of “The JoyPowered™ Workspace Podcast,” JoDee and Susan discuss the definition of harassment, fears of retaliation, and how to investigate allegations of harassment. They also talk about a few high-profile cases and give a listener some advice on reporting harassment.
Harassment seems to be all over the news lately; people seem to be more aware of their rights and more comfortable talking about it than they were in the past. A lot of harassment cases aren’t discussed, though. Sometimes people don’t report it because they’re afraid, because it’s not happening to them personally, or because they’re wondering if they invited it in some way.
Legally, harassment is defined as unwelcome conduct (verbal, physical, or visual) based on a person’s protected status (sex, color, race, ancestry, religion, national origin, age, physical handicap, medical condition, disability, marital status, veteran status, citizenship status, etc.). Nearly everyone qualifies for protected status, but the important thing is the unwelcome conduct, regardless of the protected status or place in the company hierarchy. We should be creating safe environments for others, and allegations of harassment should be addressed immediately.
Often, people are concerned about whether asking someone out at work is going to be unwelcome conduct; it’s tricky, but easier if one person is not working for the other one, or even if they work in entirely different departments or groups. If you are a manager and you date someone who works for you, it’s a good idea to separate into different departments or groups; you never know if the relationship might go sour, and the responsibility lies with you. You need to be extra careful that you’re not creating a quid pro quo situation where the person feels like they have to date you to keep their job.
There are several laws surrounding harassment, including the Civil Rights Act, the Age Discrimination Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the Pregnancy Discrimination Act. There are also protections under the Civil Rights Act for the person that raises a claim of harassment; if anything negative happens to that person afterward, it’s considered retaliation. If you’re an employer, you need to be very careful that nothing happens that could be construed as retaliation.
JoDee and Susan share their advice for what to do if you’re observing or experiencing harassment in your workplace. They also discuss what employers should do to handle the situation, how to go about investigating a claim of harassment, and how to communicate the findings of the investigation. Ultimately, people should always report harassment, because sometimes it just takes one spark to start a real fire of change. Employers need to think about their culture and whether they’re treating people as they should be treated.
The hosts also discuss a less-highly-publicized type of harassment: age harassment. It’s common, but typically not done with bad intentions. It may take the form of asking an older coworker when they’re going to retire, or celebrating birthdays with black balloons and “funny” gifts like rocking chairs. Some older coworkers may find it funny, but for others it can be offensive. Be careful and sensitive; you don’t always know all the facts.
In this episode’s listener mail, a man who works in a male-dominated environment wants to know how to handle coworkers’ sexually-charged comments and jokes, which make him uncomfortable. JoDee and Susan discuss the new Form I-9 that was released in September 2017.
Mentioned in This Episode:
- Purple Ink, the HR consulting firm JoDee owns
- Susan Tinder White Consulting, the HR consulting firm Susan owns
- JoyPowered, JoDee’s book
- “Fox News Spent $50 Million on Harassment Claims in a Year, Proving That Enabling Sexual Harassers Is a Bad Business Move,”, an article in Slate Magazine
- The HR Indiana Conference, where Susan and JoDee heard Anucha Browne speak about her experience with harassment
- Anucha Browne, who was awarded one of the largest harassment settlement claims ever ($12 million)
- Uber, the ridesharing mobile app company accused of treating women differently than men
- “Reflecting on One Very, Very Strange Year at Uber”, a blog by Susan Fowler about the male-dominated culture at the company
- Fox News, the television news channel that took a significant loss in sponsors after accusations of harassment
- Form I-9, which new employees are required to complete to show that they’re legally authorized to work in the United States




3 Comments
hello! is there a SHRM activity code for this episode? unfortunately do not see it in https://getjoypowered.com/shrm/ thanks and look forward to hearing back.
Same question. Episode 18 is listed in SHRM, but is not an available option to get a code on getjoypowered.com/shrm/
Hi Jennifer,
I apologize for the slow response! Episode 18 should appear on the evaluation at getjoypowered.com/shrm now. If you run into any other issues, please reach out to us at joypowered@gmail.com.